May 22, 2014
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Long before anyone knew the name Thomas Piketty, Pulitzer
Prize-winning journalist David Cay Johnston was plumbing the hidden
depths of the American tax code, revealing the myriad ways it privileges
the interests of corporations and the wealthy ahead of those of the 99
percent. Indeed, while it may sometimes feel as if economic inequality
is the new trend, Johnston’s career reminds us that the great gulf that
separates the rich from the rest in the contemporary United States
didn’t happen overnight, but over a course of decades.
Despite coming out during the same year as “
Capital in the Twenty-First Century,” and “
The Divide,” Johnston’s newest release, “
Divided: The Perils of Our Growing Inequality,”
is a different kind of inequality book. Rather than a sweeping overview
of centuries of economic history, or an on-the-ground examination of
how our justice system ignores the powerful while brutalizing the rest,
Johnston’s book is a collection of essays, speeches and excerpts — a
kind of inequality reader. Featuring insights from philosophers,
economists, journalists, researchers and even politicians, “Divided”
reminds us how inequality is one of those rare problems that truly
matters to all of us, no matter what our interests or chosen field.
Earlier
this week, Salon reached Johnston via telephone to discuss “Divided,”
whether American democracy can survive such great economic disparities,
and how returning to a more equal society is literally a matter of life
and death. Our conversation follows, and has been slightly edited for
clarity and length. In addition, Johnston followed up with further
thoughts via email.
What inspired you to create this book?
I had done a trilogy on hidden aspects of the American economy, “
Perfectly Legal,” which was about how the rich benefit from taxes, “
Free Lunch,” about all the subsidies people didn’t know about that go to rich people and corporations, and “
The Fine Print,”
which was about restraint of trade and monopolies. And in speaking for
the last 10 years around the country, one of the things I learned is
that people didn’t understand that this isn’t just a function of numbers
and whatnot; they didn’t understand there’s a whole structure that
affects families, health, healthcare — which are different things —
incarceration, opportunity, exposure to environmental hazards, wage
theft and so, there was really a need here to give people a broad
understanding of, well, “How did this come about, this incredible
inequality that we didn’t have in this country until recent years?”
[After
the interview, Johnston emailed to add: "My trilogy on the American
economy explained many of the little-known, and often deceptive, laws,
regulations and official practices. But inequality involves much more
than what I had written about in the trilogy. I wanted to provide people
with a broad understanding of the issues, ranging from limited
opportunity and obstacles to achieving a modicum of prosperity, to the
remarkably cruel and thoughtless policies of the Reagan era."]
In
your introductory essay, you make a point of arguing that inequality is
not natural, that it’s something we created and, by extensions, we can
undo. But what would you say to those who, say, have read their Piketty
and are thinking this kind of inequality is endemic to capitalism?
Well,
Piketty — whose work I relied on for years and who substantiates a lot
of things that I’ve written with his research — argues that the
concentration of wealth will just continue and continue and continue. As
Herbert Stein, Richard Nixon’s chief economic adviser,
famously said,
a trend will only continue as long as it can. We will either, through
peaceful, rational means, go back to a system that does not take from
the many to give to the few in all these subtle ways, or we will end up
like 18th century France. And if we end up in that awful condition, it
will be the bloodiest thing the world has even seen. So I think it’s
really important to get a handle on this inequality. After all, since
the end of the Great Recession, one-third of all income increases in
this country went to just 16,000 households, 95 percent of it went to
the top 1 percent, and the bottom 90 percent’s incomes fell, and they
fell by 15 percent. So we need to recognize that there is a very, very
serious problem here that has to get addressed. But it won’t just go on
forever because if you follow that to its logical absurdity, one person
ends up with 90 percent of the wealth in the world. And that’s not going
to happen.
[In the aforementioned email, Johnston also followed
up on this point, writing: "While I certainly am worried that we could
end up in a violent revolution somewhere in the future, sparked by
extreme inequality, I’m [an] indictable optimist and believe that [if]
the American people have access to explanations and information they
will, over the long run, make smart choices.”]
So when you
say it will be very bloody, I know you’re speaking of a wild
hypothetical to some degree, but do you really think we’re on track for
violent social upheaval?
Oh, yes. I’ve written about
people on the far right and the far left since the ’60s. Back in the
’60s, I was in the homes of people who built bombs, both left and right.
And we live in a country now where we have members of Congress who have
either questioned, or ignored questions about, killing the president of
the United States. We are seeing all these laws passed allowing people
to carry guns openly. We are coming apart as a society, and inequality
is right at the core of that. When the 90 percent are getting worse off
and they’re trying to figure out what happened, they’re not people like
me who get to spend four or five hours a day studying these things and
then writing about them — they’re people who have to make a living and
get through life. And they’re going to be swayed by demagogues and
filled with fear about the other, rather than bringing us together.
When
you mention demagogues, are there people currently on the scene that
give you a shiver up your spine in that regard, or are you speaking
hypothetically?
I think it would be easy for someone to
arrive in the near future and really create forces that would lead to
trouble in this country. And you see people who, they’re not the leaders
to pull it off, but we have suggestions that the president should be
killed, that he’s not an American, that Texas can secede, that states
can ignore federal law, and these are things that don’t lack for
antecedents in America history but they’re clearly on the rise. In
addition to that, we have this large, very well-funded news organization
that is premised on misconstruing facts and telling lies, Faux News
(formerly Fox News), that is creating, in a large segment of the
population — somewhere around one-fifth and one-fourth of it — belief in
all sorts of things that are detrimental to our well-being. President
Theodore Roosevelt said we shall all rise together or we shall all fall
together, and we need to have an appreciation of that.
So, no, I
don’t see this happening tomorrow, but I have said for many years that …
if we don’t get a handle on this then one of these days our descendants
are going to sit down in high-school history class and open a textbook
that begins with the words: “The United States of America
was …”
and then it will dissect how our experiment in self-governance came
apart. By the way, the Founders were very worried about this. John Adams
said his fear was that instead of having yeoman farmers who owned their
own land, and workers who owned their own tools and therefore were
independent, that we would become a country in which a business
aristocracy would arise, and the mass of people would simply work for
wages and the business aristocrats would persuade the wage-earners to
support those policies that were actually against their interest and
favor the business aristocrats and, when that happened, we would lose
our liberties and our democracy.
And he wasn’t exactly the proto-lefty bomb-thrower of the group …
No,
but Madison and Monroe and Jefferson — there was a lot of concern about
this. They were fearful not just of a hereditary aristocracy but a
business
aristocracy. And I’ve had my research assistants at Syracuse Law
working on this for the last two-and-a-half years and there was an
abundance of material written in that era that was concerned about
extreme inequality. And that’s what we have in America, is extreme
inequality.
To turn from how bad things are getting to how
we can make them better, I’d like to ask you what solutions you’d like
to see people organize around in terms of reducing inequality?
Number
one, we’ve got to change the makeup of Congress. The Democrats got 1.4
million more votes than the Republicans [in 2010] but they have a
minority [in Congress] because of gerrymandering. So we need to have
state legislatures — and we may need a constitutional amendment to make
districts evenly divided between the parties — that will get us more
centrist candidates rather than extremists on both left and right.
Secondly,
we’ve got to restore unions. If you believe in market economics, you’ve
gotta believe in unions. Now, unions aren’t perfect, but neither are
corporations, or the government or, for god’s sake, the clergy. Unions
allow people as a group to negotiate for reasonable pay, and without
unions you have big corporations, and individuals who have no bargaining
power, such as a lot of unemployed workers. Our competitors all have
unions. The Germans even have unions for executives. So we need to get
back to unions if we’re going to improve people’s economics.
We
need to get people to vote. If the bottom 90 percent voted at the same
rate that the top 1 percent do, you would have a different Congress.
That’s why you’re seeing efforts to take away the franchise, because the
serious professionals in the Republican Party recognize that the
demographic trends are going against them, and to stave that off they’ve
got to try and deny the franchise to people, which is an extraordinary
move, something we haven’t seen since Jim Crow.
We need to have a
big enough government to enforce the law. We have not prosecuted any of
the “too big to fail” banks and we have a president who has said, Well,
these things look awful, but they may not be crimes. I’m sorry — the
banks
falsely certified documents … there are plenty of
witnesses who have emails and memos they wrote and can testify that they
said that this is illegal and wrong and they were told to shut up or
were gotten rid of. We have money transferred through the mail and
through the wires. That’s all you need to prosecute fraud. And yet, Bill
Black, the guy who got us all those convictions in the savings and loan
crisis, no one will speak to him. That’s just one example. I have
written about all sorts of lawless behavior that’s going on, involving
cheating in the real-estate industry, the failure to pay out benefits in
the insurance industry, and when you “deregulate” and cut the staffs
whose job is to look out for the public, the most cunning and conniving
are the beneficiaries.
And this is also true in tax; the
wage-earners will be taxed very effectively because it’s all automated.
But those people who have very complicated individual or investment or
corporate tax portfolios, Congress has cut away the ability to — and put
in place rules that make it really impossible to — enforce the laws. So
America today has two income taxes separate and unequal, one for wage
earners who are thoroughly and efficiently taxed, and one for investors,
business owners and corporations, who the government does not have the
capacity to properly tax, and therefore are undertaxed, shifting the
burden onto the wage earners.
To that point, it’s died down now that the elections are coming up, but there was previously a lot of talk of “tax reform” —
Well,
I’ve said repeatedly, there is no discussion in Washington of tax
“reform,” a word journalists should use in quotes. There is a lot of
talk of shifting the burden of taxes off of corporations and wealthy
Americans. But
reform means making the system
better,
and there’s nothing being proposed that’s reform. When Ronald Reagan’s
(too big) tax policy changes were made, there were giant studies by the
Treasury where they tried to figure out everything about the effects of
this. There’s no serious intellectual work going on about how do we
design a tax system for the 21st century.
Let me give you one of
my lines on it: America has a tax system that is well-designed and
effective for the middle of the 20th century. We now live in the 21st
century. We are not a national industrial wage economy — we are a global
services/asset economy. Mostly intangible assets. And the tax system
does not recognize this. Therefore, it is damaging the economy rather
than strengthening and providing for the commonwealth goods and services
that are needed for private wealth creation.
Barack Obama
has made a point to be seen as sort of like the president who put
inequality on the front burner. And you include his speech from 2011 in
Osawatomie, Kansas (where Teddy Roosevelt gave his famous “New Nationalism”
address), in the book. But at the same time, as you’ve noted, 95
percent of the gains, post-Great Recession, have gone to the tippy-top
of the economic pyramid. How do you judge him on this issue?
President
Obama understands the broad nature of the problem and he’s right to say
this is the issue of our time. But his policies simply reinforce
inequality. His policies show that he very much identifies with Wall
Street and with its interests. Remember, he was going to put Lawrence
Summers in as head of the Federal Reserve, and a whole bunch of people —
and I was among them — [said] that this would be a terrible policy
mistake, that Janet Yellen is among the group of people who consistently
predicted things correctly and gotten it right (and I would count among
them Dean Baker, me, Paul Krugman, Joe Stiglitz and a few dozen other
people who deal with these issues in public).
The president has
consistently sided with Wall Street, whether it’s not prosecuting the
criminality which brought down the economy in 2008, or supporting the
Trans-Pacific Partnership — which is not about “free trade,” it’s about
protecting existing ownership interests against the future. And so he’s
just a really good example of where what he says and what he does don’t
align. I don’t know the explanation for that. But having watched him
very closely, I think it has to do in part with [that] he wants very
much to be … the great uniter. And if you’re going to bring about the
kind of change I think we need, there’s going to be a lot of
divisiveness about it; and he just doesn’t have a stomach for it, it’s
not who he is. He’s the “Can we please get along here together?” guy.
Garry Wills once described his approach as “omnidirectional placation.”
That’s
a great line … I mean, he’s like the child from the family where the
parents fought and that child was the one who’d get the parents to make
peace. And he really does identify very heavily with the folks on Wall
Street. Here’s [former Treasury Secretary] Timothy Geithner who flat-out
cheated — calculated deliberately — on his taxes and lied to Congress
about it. And I can tell you that because I replicated his taxes in
TurboTax, which was a hell of a lot of work. And I know somebody who was
a deep expert/authority who did the same thing. We could not produce,
without overriding the system, what he said. And all he had to do to be
honorable about this was pay the penalties as well as the taxes and
interest. But look at Geithner, look at everything he’s done. Did
Geithner do anything for the homeowners who got taken to the cleaners,
here? You didn’t have to take out a mortgage to get taken to the
cleaners; property values fell for everybody. People who had nothing to
do with taking out these bad mortgages were harmed. Now, every single
thing you saw Geithner do was to benefit Wall Street. And Obama spoke
well of him right to the moment [Geithner] decided to earn his reward
and go to work on Wall Street.
Obama was even, before he moved on to not-better Summers, considering nominating Geithner for the Fed.
Yes.
I recognize that Obama has been dealt a terrible hand. Ten days after
his inauguration in 2009, top Republicans had a meeting and agreed that
making him ineffective was their overriding goal. He’s been dealt a
terrible hand, here, and in some ways he’s played it well. But on the
fundamental issues of what’s driving our inequality, he has not played
this at all well.
He has a very deep knowledge of strategic arms,
because that’s what he studied when he was in college; [but] I don’t
think he has a deeper understanding of economics than your average
college graduate, and your average college graduate doesn’t have a very
good understanding of economics. Because we live in a society where
there’s a dogma: neoclassical economics, particularly the Chicago set.
(By the way, I went to the Chicago school, 40 years ago. I’m not an
economist but I did go there for two quarters on a fellowship.) There
are lots of other economic theories out there and they get no attention
because we have this dogma about economics in America.
Now
that we seem to be in a moment when the discussion of inequality has
gone mainstream, how optimistic are you that this is a problem we’ll
actually start to fix in the near- or medium-term future?
We’re
still living in the age of Reaganism; that has not come to an end yet.
But we now have 33 years of empirical evidence that what Reagan promised
didn’t work. If it did, if what Reagan and George W. Bush promised us
worked, we would be swimming in jobs today. And we’re not. So I’m
afraid, in the short run, what we’re going to see is an effort to shift
the blame for this from failed policies to us. The “it’s the 47 percent
who are takers” argument that Romney put forth, rather than looking at
the structure and the rules that create and reinforce inequality. But
this must come to an end and we have to get some changes and what’s
missing are leaders who can articulate a new path. A smarter,
growth-oriented path that will make us all better off. So Elizabeth
Warren, who I’ve known for 25 years, Elizabeth Warren could be that
person, but I don’t think she’s going to do it. She wants to focus on
fixing what she knows. But we need someone, multiple people, to arise
who understands the structure and nature of the problem and can then put
it in terms that ordinary people understand before we get real change.